תגובה שכתבתי למרקסיסט אנטי-ישראלי [אנגלית]
אשמח אם תחוו דעתכם. מה שבהדגש זה מה שהוא אמר, ומה שלא זו תגובתי. אני חושב שהתגובה שלי מתאימה כתגובה להרבה טיעונים אנטי ישראליים: Quite simply and not surprisingly, the findings of the Peel Commission smack of the logic of the imperialist. The displacement, disenfranchisement, and colonization of the native peoples are all moot points so long as the colonialists are better prepared to maximize the value drawn from the land. Perhaps the Zionists did bring with them from Europe more advanced farming methods, but that did not (and does not) entitle them to somebody else's country. This is merely a variation on the old "might makes right" theme with a peculiarly bourgeois element of profit-seeking added into the mix. The displacement, disenfranchisement, and colonization of the so-called native people claims are utter unfounded claims that are not based on historical analysis or factual events but on speculations and consciously falsification of the Arab-Jewish conflict in the Middle East area. The displacement of the Arab population, who lived at western Palestine, which in that area the Jewish state was declared, was caused mostly by the deceived promises of Arab religious and political leadership in Palestine itself and in the Arab states around it. The promise stated that they should run away for now until the war will end with an Arab victory and the destruction of Israel, then they will be allowed to return to their houses. The promises were, certainly, proven false when Israel won 6 Arab nations at a time and expended their theoretical territory to what we know as pre-67 ceasefire borders. The Arab population that lived inside theoretical Israeli borders wasn't under a military occupation regime but under regular, civil regime. The Arabs who lived under military occupation regime had suffered a freedom of movement and freedom of property limitation temporally until the year of 1966, when the military occupation regime was revoked. Nevertheless, a disenfranchisement of the Arab population didn't existed and most of them voted to the Israeli Communist Party (M.C.I – Maki), a mixed Arab-Jewish party that exist to this day as a faction in the party of H.D.SH (Hadash). Colonization of the so called native people never existed. At some cities, the Jews were the majority since 1850-1869, twenty years to one year before the Zionists started returning their ancestor's homeland. As the Zionists came, they bought land or built on lands that were owned by the Ottoman Empire, illegally. While Colonialism has a certain definition, you choose to ignore the pure fact that Zionism are not, and cannot be considered by definition, to colonialists. I frequently hear the claim that Britain supported the Zionism and that is prove that Zionists are colonialists. I would like to discuss that issue a little bit. In the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, Nationalism started to spread to the Middle East through French-British imperial-cultural influence on the Ottoman Empire's population, especially the Turks, Arabs, Greeks, Armenians and Jews who started to seek for sovereign, independent political entity which will give them a homeland, most of the people I mentioned wanted to establish their state in their homeland, or their ancestors' homeland: The Jews wanted Judea, which was named Syria-Palastina by the Romans after the oppression of the Jewish rebellion for independence at 135 C.E.; The Greeks wanted to come back to Greece, as many Greeks did after the successful Greek independent war at 1829; The Arabs wanted every land where their lived, although those land were gained through the Imperialist Islamic conquest from the 7th century to the 13th century C.E. and the Armenians wanted Armenia. Those nationalist wills made those people riot against the Ottomans, such as the First Arab Great Revolt at 1916–1918 in all of the areas were Arabs were under Ottoman rule. The Armenians were "punished" at their holocaust and the Jews who helped the British Army to defeat the Ottomans through intelligence or actual fighting were executed by the Turks. As for that, giving a "little" push to the nationalism of the people that lived under your rule will be just more than reasonable act. And, the British helped the Arab nationalism through "punishing" the Zionists, and history reveals that the British actually wanted to create a "Greater Syria" Arab state. As you can read at "Greater Syria: The History of an Ambition" by Daniel Pipes and you can also read in the next article in Ha'arets: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/950373.html which proves that it was Arab Nationalism, not Jewish, that was backed up by the Colonial empires. You states, in the quote above that "Palestine" was the Palestinian country, and I would like to note you that PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi self determinism was evolved only at 1964 with the foundation of the terrorist-mass-murderer organization, the PLO; The Palestinians are mostly immigrants who came to Palestine at the 18th and the 19th century – especially at the 19th century – as a result of an improvement of work conditions and opportunities at the working market as a result of the Zionist arrival and British land development. The Jews are the ancient inhabits of Palestine and they have lived there consecutively since the early Bible times. Although the vast majority didn't live there since the crusaders, when 50%-60% of the Jews lived in that area, they have a rightful and justified for moral and historical claim on the land.
אשמח אם תחוו דעתכם. מה שבהדגש זה מה שהוא אמר, ומה שלא זו תגובתי. אני חושב שהתגובה שלי מתאימה כתגובה להרבה טיעונים אנטי ישראליים: Quite simply and not surprisingly, the findings of the Peel Commission smack of the logic of the imperialist. The displacement, disenfranchisement, and colonization of the native peoples are all moot points so long as the colonialists are better prepared to maximize the value drawn from the land. Perhaps the Zionists did bring with them from Europe more advanced farming methods, but that did not (and does not) entitle them to somebody else's country. This is merely a variation on the old "might makes right" theme with a peculiarly bourgeois element of profit-seeking added into the mix. The displacement, disenfranchisement, and colonization of the so-called native people claims are utter unfounded claims that are not based on historical analysis or factual events but on speculations and consciously falsification of the Arab-Jewish conflict in the Middle East area. The displacement of the Arab population, who lived at western Palestine, which in that area the Jewish state was declared, was caused mostly by the deceived promises of Arab religious and political leadership in Palestine itself and in the Arab states around it. The promise stated that they should run away for now until the war will end with an Arab victory and the destruction of Israel, then they will be allowed to return to their houses. The promises were, certainly, proven false when Israel won 6 Arab nations at a time and expended their theoretical territory to what we know as pre-67 ceasefire borders. The Arab population that lived inside theoretical Israeli borders wasn't under a military occupation regime but under regular, civil regime. The Arabs who lived under military occupation regime had suffered a freedom of movement and freedom of property limitation temporally until the year of 1966, when the military occupation regime was revoked. Nevertheless, a disenfranchisement of the Arab population didn't existed and most of them voted to the Israeli Communist Party (M.C.I – Maki), a mixed Arab-Jewish party that exist to this day as a faction in the party of H.D.SH (Hadash). Colonization of the so called native people never existed. At some cities, the Jews were the majority since 1850-1869, twenty years to one year before the Zionists started returning their ancestor's homeland. As the Zionists came, they bought land or built on lands that were owned by the Ottoman Empire, illegally. While Colonialism has a certain definition, you choose to ignore the pure fact that Zionism are not, and cannot be considered by definition, to colonialists. I frequently hear the claim that Britain supported the Zionism and that is prove that Zionists are colonialists. I would like to discuss that issue a little bit. In the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century, Nationalism started to spread to the Middle East through French-British imperial-cultural influence on the Ottoman Empire's population, especially the Turks, Arabs, Greeks, Armenians and Jews who started to seek for sovereign, independent political entity which will give them a homeland, most of the people I mentioned wanted to establish their state in their homeland, or their ancestors' homeland: The Jews wanted Judea, which was named Syria-Palastina by the Romans after the oppression of the Jewish rebellion for independence at 135 C.E.; The Greeks wanted to come back to Greece, as many Greeks did after the successful Greek independent war at 1829; The Arabs wanted every land where their lived, although those land were gained through the Imperialist Islamic conquest from the 7th century to the 13th century C.E. and the Armenians wanted Armenia. Those nationalist wills made those people riot against the Ottomans, such as the First Arab Great Revolt at 1916–1918 in all of the areas were Arabs were under Ottoman rule. The Armenians were "punished" at their holocaust and the Jews who helped the British Army to defeat the Ottomans through intelligence or actual fighting were executed by the Turks. As for that, giving a "little" push to the nationalism of the people that lived under your rule will be just more than reasonable act. And, the British helped the Arab nationalism through "punishing" the Zionists, and history reveals that the British actually wanted to create a "Greater Syria" Arab state. As you can read at "Greater Syria: The History of an Ambition" by Daniel Pipes and you can also read in the next article in Ha'arets: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/950373.html which proves that it was Arab Nationalism, not Jewish, that was backed up by the Colonial empires. You states, in the quote above that "Palestine" was the Palestinian country, and I would like to note you that PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi self determinism was evolved only at 1964 with the foundation of the terrorist-mass-murderer organization, the PLO; The Palestinians are mostly immigrants who came to Palestine at the 18th and the 19th century – especially at the 19th century – as a result of an improvement of work conditions and opportunities at the working market as a result of the Zionist arrival and British land development. The Jews are the ancient inhabits of Palestine and they have lived there consecutively since the early Bible times. Although the vast majority didn't live there since the crusaders, when 50%-60% of the Jews lived in that area, they have a rightful and justified for moral and historical claim on the land.
