Dealing with bad accidents

[Sensei]

Dealing with bad accidents

How have people here dealt with bad injuries they have caused others? I put somebody in the hospital over 20 years ago with a bad injury,it wasnt on purpose and it was not my fault even though I could have avoided it.. I went to visit him at the hospital ,it was difficult because he was hospitalized.He said that he knows it wasnt my fault and that he knew that thins like his can happen. That made it easier for me ,but it was difficult.I think if he would not have been fare with me and understanding it would have been very hard on me.I used to do full contact sparing with out equipment,thee were lots of incidents in those days.What have been your experiances and how did you get by them? Shimon​

 

[Sensei]

My sensei at that time

knew what I was going through.He didnt mention anything at the time of the incident.He just told me at the next practice to -"let it go these things happen and we should expect this in training." The injured fellow dropped his practice and never came back.Like I said we did sparring without protective gear.Israeli 'Moncho' back in the late 70s and early 80s.Most of the practitioners were Security People from the different government agencies.I used to do sparring with one of the senseis during private practice sessions,just he and I for a three hour work out.Then we would use gloves and head gear.The headgear would stick to the skin and when getting hit hard it would cut the skin open.Stitches were needed for these injuries. I myself got my nose opened up several times.Was it worth it? Yes and no. Yes-the experiance of overcoming fear,and developing agressive attitudes in training.No-We pay the price for the training later on in life. The pain we cause others can be an issue at the time (not for the unsensitive types).Later on we forget and just let things go by. Does anybody out there identify with these thoughts? I think we all go through these experiances,at least the practitioners of the more aggressive arts. Shimon

 

[tessen]

פציעה של חבר או עצמית

היא תמיד חוויה שנחרטת, גם אני מדבר משני הצדדים. נפצעתי כמה פעמים ועוד ע"י חברי הטובים, אחת מהן הגיע לכך שאושפזתי בבית חולים. גם אני טמנתי ידי בצלחת והשבתתי אחד למס' שבועות, אין דרך להפטר מההרגשה הלא נעימה הזו של לדעת שאתה גרמת סבל מסויים לאדם חשוב לך. גם אם אומרים לך ואתה אומר לאחרים, שזה בסדר והכל "part of the game" ושזה המחיר שיש לשלם. עדיין יש משהו לא נעים בבטן, יש הבדל בין לפצוע חבר או אוייב. אבל דווקא המקרים הללו, אני מוצא אותם שמחזקים את החברות. אתה מכיר את בן הזוג שלי לאימונים (כמובן הרי אתה מלמד אותנו

), לאורך השנים גרמנו כאבים אחד לשני. יחד עם זאת החברות בינינו רק התחזקה יותר, למדתי להאריך אותו יותר כי ידעתי מה העוצמה שהוא סופג כי גם אני סופג אותה. אני יודע שלאגרסיביות יש מחיר עם השנים, כמו לכל דבר . אך היתרונות שלה לדעתי עולים על החסרונות.

 

[Poo1]

Be careful, man

I have a very traumatic memory of one of the Dojo members claimed my Teacher, he won in a trial and it was a very have task to over come the trauma for students and for the Teacher. My Teacher changed totaly his training patterns and in my subjective oppinion never get back to his so called "spirit"... he explained to the class that was a mistake and he taking responsibility over the case but we all felt, he has been hurt deeply by this case of fighting in courtroom and loosing quit a bit of money. I have been in Instructors course under the leadership of Dr. Ronnie Kluger and we had a lecture by some lawer that stated that any injury at any training is the sole responsibility of the Instructor and he must have to prove that he acted with at most care toward his students. take care CHAG SAMEACH from LA

 

[Pyongwon]

Depends on the age of the one hurt.

We have had several cases in which one kid hit another - and all were totally different. In one case, his mother got hysterical, in another case his mother took him to the hospital, in another case the kid was hospitalized. All from different situations. Yes, we are not dealing with kid's stuff here, we're dealing with a martial art. Most of the kids returned to training with a very healthy respect both for themselves and the style, as WTF TKD is a full-contact sport, even with full protection, and also with a healthy respect. The kids realize that they have hit someone, say "sorry" but sorry doesn't help. We take it as a learning experience, yes, control your kicks, be the best at whatever you do, but beware that you must not do something you will be sorry for afterwards... The people injured are usually (surprisingly) boys and aged around 15-17... if that helps anyone...