שאלה....

duvdevanim

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שאלה....

אני לא מעריץ של מייקל גקסון או משהו כזה, ובעצם גם בקושי מכיר אותו לעומק- מכיר רק את השם שלו... עכישו כאשר גלשתי לפורום ראיתי מספר תמונות שלו, והשאלה היא: למה הפינם שלו כך??. כמו בובה,ויש תמונות שהם נראות כמו דברים אחרים... מדוע זה<? תודה
 

yahel14

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שהוא היה פעם שחור ועשה ניתוחים באף בפה ובכל מקום אפשרי בפנים ובקשר לצבע עור שלו אני לא יגיד כלום כי לכל אחד יש דעה משלו... והמלצה שלי תכיר אותו לעומק ותשמע שירים שלו, רק תהנה מזה!!!!!
 

duvdevanim

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מיקל היה פעם שחור? כלומר

אדם בעל צבא עור שחור, black man אני מנסה לא להשתמש במילה: הצבא שיש לאנשים שמגיעים מאפריקה...
 

duvdevanim

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מיקל היה פעם שחור? כלומר

אדם בעל צבא עור שחור, black man אני מנסה לא להשתמש במילה: הצבא שיש לאנשים שמגיעים מאפריקה...
 

AS2000

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אין לך מושג מי זה מייקל גקסון

לפי מה שאתה שואל !!!!!!!
 

slish

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מייקל חולה במחלת עור מאוד קשה!|ימין

למי שמחפש את האמת האחת והיחידה!!! *אין דבר כזה להחליף/לשנות צבע עור מייקל התחיל לקבל כתמים לבנים יותר נכון כתמי חוסר צבע קצת אחרי "טרילר" 82-83 (זה מתחיל בידיים ובפנים ומתפשט אח"כ לכל הגוף) הוא הבין שהוא חולה במחלת עור.. מן הסתם כשהוא הלך להיבדק נאמר לו שהוא חולה ב"ויטיליגו" מחלה תורשתית (מייקל קיבל מצד סבא - אבא של אבא שלו) המחלה פוגעת ב"פיגמנטציה" של העור (פיגמנט=צבע )והורסת אותו... מה שאומר כתמים הבהירים מתחלים להתפרס על כל הגוף וכל ה"צבע של העור משתנה מכהה לבהיר"!!! אני חוזר ומזכיר שעד היום 2002 (עם כל הטכנולוגיה!) "אי אפשר לשנות צבע עור!!!!" תבינו!!! אי אפשר!!! -למי שעדיין לא מוכן להבין דבר בסיסי אז הוא יכול ללכת לרופא עור ולבקש ממנו - תמורת המון המון המון כסף לשנות את העור שלו לבהיר... בואו ננחש את התשובה... א-י א-פ-ש-ר!!!! מייקל עובר טיפולי פילינג (הסרת שכבת עור שגורמת להבהרה מסויימת של העור אבל תוך זמן קצר הפיגמנט הכהה חוזר)בפנים ובמקומות החשופים לקהל (הוא מלך המוסיקה... אני רק מזכיר!!! והוא צריך לשדר תדמית!) כל הטיפולים והאיפור באים לטשטש את הכתמים האלה (הם ממש ממש לא יפים) העור של מייקל עבר ועובר כ"כ הרבה טיפולים (מזל שיש לו כסף לטיפול) כדי לא להיות מוזנח ומנומר לגמרי בכתמים של שחור ולבן!! זה אחת הסיבות העיקריות למוזריות בו! לא לשכוח שאנשים לקחים תמונות שלו מגיל 3 ומשבים אתם לגיל 43! תקחו תמונות של כל אחד (במיוחד אדם חולה במחלת עור) ותראו את ההבדל בין גיל 3- 43 (יהיה טיפה שינוי... ה-ר-ב-ה!!!!!!!!) מייקל כידוע עשה ניתוח גומה בסנטר שניים באף +עוד אחד לאחרונה = 3 אף ביחד 4 תשוו את זה ל8-9 של "שר" (הזמרת המדהימה שנראת מדהים ולמי אכפת כמה ניתוחים היא עשתה - שיהי להם לבריאות!!!!!!) ופמלה אנדרסון? (גם 7-8) אבל למי אכפת?!?!!!!!! כל אדם שני בהולווד מנותח (לפחות שני ניתוחים...) אבל שוב... ל-מ-י א-כ-פ-ת??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! שכל אחד יעשה בגוף שלו מה שהוא רוצה!!! זאת הפרטיות שלו!!! ולתת לו ביקורת זה חוסר התחשבות!!! וקבלה!! (נועד לכלכ הבכינים עדיין לא מסוגלים להבין שאין דבר כזה שינוי צבע עור) כל השאר... הרבה שינוי תדמית (איפור!!!! לבוש תסרוקת +גיל) הרבה הרבה פנטזיות של אנשים!!!! בעיקר לאחר "שטיפת מוח" של העיתונות הצהובה שדואגת לבורות (וחוסר שכל) של הרבה אנשים (גם פה!!! בפורום!!!) אני סולח להם... כי הם עברו כמעט כמו הרבה אנשים... שטיפת מוח מהעיתונות על כל מיני ניתוחים (לא קיימים! שמייקל עשה) המצאת ניתוח להלבנת עור (שגם לא קיימת!!! ושוב זאת מחלה - בשכיחות נמוכה =מה שאומר שאין יחסית להרבה מאוכלוסית העולם! והיא עוברת רק בתורשה =גנטיקה!!!!! *זה לא עניין של קבלת דעות שונות...אני האדם הכי סובלני בפלנטה... אבל מי שלא יכול לקבל עובדות!!! נכונות!!! ואמיתיות!!! (לא יכול להודות שהוא טועה/טעה הוא ט-י-פ-ש!!!!!!!) אין מציאות אחרת מייקל לבן= מייקל חולה במחלת עור (ויטליגו) דרך אגב בגלל חוסר הפגמנטים העור נהיה רגיש לשמש ואסור להחשף לשמש היחשפות אפילו קטנה ביותר נגמרת ב"סרטן העור" (שלא נדע...) הרגישות לחולי ויטיליגו לחלות גם בסרטן העור גבוהים מאוד!! זאת גם אחת הסיבות לאיפור הכבד = טישטוש הכתמים וחסימת קרני השמש מעור! עוד אמצעי שמייקל משתמש בו זה שימשיה (אפשר לראות בהרבה תמונות!) גם הכפפות והפסים הלבנים באצבעות באו גם כדי ליפות... אבל בעיקר כדי להסתיר כתמים כהים ולבנים בעור!!! -ולמי שלא יודע יש מחלות יותר קשות שבהן אסור לחלים להחשף לקרני אור חזקות מה שאומר שהם לא יוצאים כמעט מהבית (אלה חיי סבל...) יש על זה סרטים ותוכניות בערוץ 8 (מדע וטבע) תשכילו!!! אני אשים תמונות של המחלה משהוא אחר פירסם כאן (אבל אני אשים שוב) שימו לב לכתמים...
 

slish

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יד ימין כהה לעומת שמאל בהירה..

בתמונה המקורית (ולא במחשב אפשר לראות ביותר ברור)
 

slish

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אדם (אחר) שחולה

ולאדם הזה אין אמצעים לטפל כמו שצריך במחלה..
 

ilovem

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damn!

כל כך עצוב לי עליו...לא מספיק שהוא איבד את צבע העור שלו, את הזהות שהייתה לו דרך העור...לא מספיק שהוא עבר את כל זה בתוספת רגישות לשמש וכל מיני טיפולים שהאל יודע מה עשו לו שם..עוד באים אנשים בורים שניזונים מרכילות וצוחקים עליו..ומתבדחים..ומזיינים (סליחה...) את המוח עם הבהרת עור ושאר חרא...(שוב סליחה...)...
 

ilovem

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רואי...

לא יכולתי להסביר את זה יותר טוב בעצמי גם אם הייתי מייקל ג´קוסן וגם אם הייתי חולה במחלה הזאת...
 
תשובה לשאלתך :)

תראה למייקל היתה מחלה מאוד קשה (אני חושב שקראו לה וטלגו משהו כזה) טוב תשמע אם אתה קורא אנגלית אז הגיע הזמן שתקרא את זה - בהצלחה
MICHAEL´S ANNOUNCEMENT On the February 10, 1993, Oprah Winfrey interviewed Michael Jackson and she asked SPECIFIC questions about his skin: Oprah : Okay, then let´s go to the thing that is most discussed about you, that is the color of your skin is most obviously different than when you were younger, and so I think it has caused a great deal of speculation and controversy as to what you have done or are doing, are you bleaching your skin and is your skin lighter because you don´t like being black? Michael : Number one, as I know of, there is no such thing as skin bleaching, I have never seen it, I DON´T KNOW what it is. Oprah : Well they used to have those products, I remember growing up always hearing always use bleach and glow, but you have to have about 300,000 gallons. Michael : Okay, but number one, this is the situation. I have a skin disorder that DESTROYS the pigmentation of the skin, it´s something that I CANNOT help. Okay. But when people make up stories that I don´t want to be who I am it hurts me. Michael : It´s in my family, my father said it´s on his side. I can´t control it, I don´t understand, I mean, it makes me very SAD. I don´t want to go into my medical history because that is private, but that´s the situation here. Oprah : So okay, I just want to get this straight, you are not taking anything to change the color of your skin ... Michael : Oh, God no, we tried to CONTROL it and using MAKE-UP evens it out because it makes blotches on my skin, I have to even out my skin. During the Oprah Winfrey interview, Michael also addressed being a black American: Michael: I´m a black American, I AM PROUD TO BE A BLACK AMERICAN, I am proud of my race. I am proud of who I am. I have a lot of pride and dignity. יש עוד !!!!
 
יש עוד

EMOTIONAL TRAUMA When Michael announced he had Vitiligo, during the Oprah interview, he was close to tears. Dr. Paul Kechijian, a dermatologist at both New York University Hospital and North Shore University explained in an article published in Newsday on 2/12/93, that "Jackson´s emotional reaction is typical of those who have vitiligo." One of the most devastating parts of having vitiligo is the emotional trauma they experience. Allen Locklin, a vitiligo patient who co-founded the National Vitiligo Foundation in Tyler, Texas said the following: "More than two-thirds of patients become almost reclusive. If you walk around looking like a painted pony, you get shunned." At (www.lilroom.demon.co.uk/vitiligo.html) the following is stated: "Vitiligo can definitely shatter a life, even though it is not biologically life-endangering. It is in no way debilitating, except MENTALLY. Vitiligo, while not deadly to the body, DAMAGES THE SPIRIT. Most vitiligo patients suffer some degree of emotional trauma related to the condition. The condition can be severely HUMILIATING in a society that is inclined to associate attractiveness and good health with suntanned skin. Feelings of inadequacy, loss, frustration, and rejection are common for those afflicted with the disease. Self-consciousness and a lack of self-esteem are also typical sensitivities developed as a repercussion of vitiligo (Atkinson 2-3). Because of the change in appearance, shrinking from socializing is often an effect of the condition as well." Can you imagine how Michael must have felt being diagnosed? Michael is a entertainer in an industry where looks are so valued. Celebrities constantly have their pictures taken and their careers are based upon visibility. I believe this is why Michael became isolated and reclusive. LIFE STYLE CHANGES FOR VITILIGO PATIENTS When Michael announced during the Oprah interview that he had a skin disorder that destroys pigment, he did not say vitiligo. But his physician would later confirm the name as vitiligo. His physician also believed the catalyst was Michael getting burned in the scalp in the Pepsi commercial as triggering Michael’s vitiligo. Michael carried the gene, but it is different factors that can trigger vitiligo. In reading Emily´s story vegan-omics.com/ev/ there is a section that discusses causes and life style adjustments for those having vitiligo. Notice any buzz words? Taken from Emily´s story: ~~~~~~~~~~~ Causes What causes vitiligo? Stress or unusual TRAUMA (especially to the HEAD) can cause vitiligo. Diabetes mellitus (adult onset), abnormal thyroid function, Addison´s disease, Pernicious anemia and Alopecia areata (hair loss in patches) are each associated with vitiligo. So you want to rule out each of these diseases and minimize stress. I started asking myself questions, like what do these diseases have in common? What connections are there? Many of the answers pointed towards diet. Another possibility is that you were exposed to an industrial chemical that effected your pigment. Air CLEAN AIR is important and most of the time it is abundant in our small town by the ocean. As long as the Florida forest fires aren´t burning out of control and the local launches from the Space Center aren´t exploding and dumping their toxic fuel in huge clouds. If we lived in a more polluted area, I would have invested in a whole house, air purification system. Food Choices Our family adopted a PURE VEGETARIAN LIFESTYLE (no meat, dairy or eggs). Check out why we chose this life style. You might also be asking yourself, how did we convince our children to go along with us? Vitiligo is theorized to be an autoimmune disease. As an autoimmune disease it should respond well to a low fat vegetarian diet. Ultraviolet Light We use natural light, and we tend to wear HATS more often than we used too. When in the sun, we only stay out for about half an hour to an hour then take a break inside. There is always a fun inside activity to fill a half-hour. This is of course effected by the time of day, we really try to avoid the mid day sun. How does Emily’s Vitiligo relate to Michael? Causes: Michael´s doctor linked the burns to Michael´s scalp (HEAD) in the Pepsi commercial as the catalyst in triggering the vitiligo. Air: On the Prime Time with Diane Sawyer (June 10, 1995), Michael indicated the following "I´m very sensitive to the smog. Y´know, so I can´t have the smog." Food Choices: Michael does have a strict vegetarian diet. Sun Light: Michael does wear a hat to protect him from the sunrays and carries an umbrella to shield him from the sunrays. When asked about why he was wearing the "silk mask" on the on the VH1 interview on November 10, 1997, Michael said the following: "Because with time my skin condition has gotten worse, I hate to say it. I have VITILIGO, and I´m TOTALLY completely ALLERGIC to the sun. I´m not even supposed to be outside actually. Even if I´m in the shade the sun rays can destroy my skin." Also related to the sunrays, in the Prime Time Interview, Michael said the following: "I envy her [pointing to Lisa Marie], ´cause she can tan and I can´t."
 
ועוד..........

VITILIGO CAMOUFLAGES: MAKE-UP AND FAKE TANS Vitiligo patients use make-up, tanning lotions and various other products to camouflage the discoloration or blotches. Michael has stated during the Oprah Winfrey interview that he uses make-up to cover the blotches and to even out his skin. Some of the products used by vitiligo patients to camouflage discoloration are discussed at the Vitiligo Society at www.vitiligosociety.org.uk/ This is stated at the Vitiligo Society web site: "Some people prefer to use products which only need to be applied occasionally and do NOT RUB OFF on clothing. For them FAKE TANS (sometimes called self tanning lotions) can give a longer lasting but less perfect colour. Unlike skin camouflage, fake tans are not usually able to provide a perfect match with your own skin colour, but they do usually LAST for about FOUR to SIX days before they have to be reapplied. They are very useful for large areas of vitiligo." WHY BLEACHING IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE So, Michael has disclosed he has a skin disorder. He has indicated he wears make-up to hide the discoloration. The next step in erasing the ignorance is EDUCATION. I want to explain, scientifically, why the concept of a black person turning "white" from "bleaching" his skin is NOT possible. To understand why a black person can not turn white from a "bleaching" creme, you have to understand what Vitiligo is and how normal cells produce pigment. What Is Vitiligo? Vitiligo is a pigmentation disorder in which melanocytes (the cells that make pigment) in the skin, the tissues that line the inside of the mouth and nose and genital and rectal areas (mucous membranes), and the retina of the eyes are DESTROYED. As a result, white patches of skin appear on different parts of the body. The thought of a black person turning WHITE from a so called bleaching cream is absurd. There is NO Scientific proof of this. And there are NO cases of such. If there were, it would be all over the news. And why would Michael be the ONLY black person who has used this so called product to become MILK WHITE, whiter than the whitest person? There are many cases of black people losing their melanon developing milk white patches, BUT NO cases of a black person turning MILK WHITE through a bleaching cream. Some cases are more severe than others and can spread very rapidly over their bodys. This is why in the Oprah interview, Michael indicated that they "tried to CONTROL IT." Some people are under this notion that there is some kind of "bleaching cream" that can change a black man, white. There were some facial creams, referred to as lighteners that have existed for ages. But those, so called skin lighteners, were only removing dark blemishes, or dead skin cells giving the impression that their skin was lighter. But after discontinued use, the melanocyte cells would bring back their normal skin pigment. And those individuals using so called skin lighteners are NOT MILK WHITE from using such a product. Neither is there evidence of a person using a skin lightening cream all over the body in the earlobes and crevices of the butt. That is absurd. Those skin lighteners are temporary changes in skin tone like suntans for white people. Those who suffer from Vitiligo do NOT produce the cells that produce pigment. As such, as they gain more milk white patches that part of their body is PERMANENTLY MILK WHITE. For a "normal" black person (that produce pigment), they can NOT change their skin permanently because their genetic makeup produce the melanocytes cells that produce pigment and maintain color. If a normal black person get scarred tissue, it is the malanocytes cells that bring back color. It is their GENETIC makeup within their CELLS. In fact, a recent article published in the September 7, 1999 Guardian (UK) indicated those using the “skin lighteners became “DARKER” while in the sun. Why didn´t these individuals remain lighter? Because these individuals, unlike those suffering from Vitiligo, produce the melanocytes cells that produce pigment. Those who have Vitiligo do NOT. Thus, sun light for vitiligo sufferers does not make their skin darker. In fact, The sun makes them susceptible to skin cancer because they have no protection. If there was a cream that could turn a black man white, it would ROCK THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.
 
ולצערי הרב.... (עוד)

OTHER VITILIGO CASES In addition, Michael is NOT the only person who suffers from Vitiligo. There are other cases. The Vitiligo Society states the following: "It affects at least ONE in every HUNDRED people in countries throughout the world. It affects people of both sexes equally, and it affects all races. It can begin at any age, though about fifty percent of people with vitiligo develop it before the age of twenty five." One such case is a girl name Emily who has an extensive book on her vitiligo called Emily´s Vitiligo. It is about her diagnosis, condition, treatment, and lifestyle adjustments. Here are some excerpts from the book Emily´s Vitiligo. Her mother, Susie, speaks of taking her daughter´s visit to the dermatologist and the discovery of her having Vitiligo. Notice the famous name of a vitiligo patient that her dermatologist uses to connect to Emily´s case. Susie’s Thoughts on Emily´s Vitiligo: "OK so here I have this perfectly wonderful life, three kids, a sweet and supportive husband and I´m finishing up my last bit of schooling on my way to a big Bachelor of Arts degree. When all of the sudden one spring day my sweet beautiful Emily gets these two little white spots on the tops of her feet. I always thought they looked like someone spilled a little milk on her and where the liquid hit is where the mark was left... funny huh... Anyway I take her to a local dermatologist due to a mild concern about it on my part. He takes one look at it and says it looks like vitiligo. At this point my mind is racing to find where I´ve heard that word before. He SAYS you know... the disease(?) MICHAEL JACKSON has. Then it hits me that´s where I´ve heard it. Holy cow I´m thinking... a disease that turned a BLACK MAN WHITE... my daughter has that. Inside I´m freaking but I calmly ask him what can we do about it. Well at this point he says simply not much but here is a brochure that explains the condition and some treatments that are available. So I thank him for what I now will call the brochure from hell because I think reading those few pages on vitiligo absolutely SCARED me to death. Words like, "while it is not a physically debilitating condition the SOCIAL STIGMA of the disease could prove very difficult, counseling should be considered, if it progresses to such an extent there is treatment to get rid of all the pigment bla bla bla". EMOTIONAL TRAUMA When Michael announced he had Vitiligo, during the Oprah interview, he was close to tears. Dr. Paul Kechijian, a dermatologist at both New York University Hospital and North Shore University explained in an article published in Newsday on 2/12/93, that "Jackson´s emotional reaction is typical of those who have vitiligo." One of the most devastating parts of having vitiligo is the emotional trauma they experience. Allen Locklin, a vitiligo patient who co-founded the National Vitiligo Foundation in Tyler, Texas said the following: "More than two-thirds of patients become almost reclusive. If you walk around looking like a painted pony, you get shunned." At (www.lilroom.demon.co.uk/vitiligo.html) the following is stated: "Vitiligo can definitely shatter a life, even though it is not biologically life-endangering. It is in no way debilitating, except MENTALLY. Vitiligo, while not deadly to the body, DAMAGES THE SPIRIT. Most vitiligo patients suffer some degree of emotional trauma related to the condition. The condition can be severely HUMILIATING in a society that is inclined to associate attractiveness and good health with suntanned skin. Feelings of inadequacy, loss, frustration, and rejection are common for those afflicted with the disease. Self-consciousness and a lack of self-esteem are also typical sensitivities developed as a repercussion of vitiligo (Atkinson 2-3). Because of the change in appearance, shrinking from socializing is often an effect of the condition as well." Can you imagine how Michael must have felt being diagnosed? Michael is a entertainer in an industry where looks are so valued. Celebrities constantly have their pictures taken and their careers are based upon visibility. I believe this is why Michael became isolated and reclusive.
 
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