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> Yup, I am the folder to which Doug-O referred. I have the Rose (OftC > version) down under four minutes. Had a great time folding them at a > folk festival last weekend. > > Just like he said, diagram the creases from a finished rose, and you can > learn to sequence them so that you fold only the creases you need, and > in the proper direction to boot! If you use heavy paper (like Canson) the > collapse is almost a no-brainer, and you get a wet-folded look, even > dry, with no extraneous creases. > > My sequence involves twelve individual steps, each repeated once with > each 90-degree orientation. I will post a verbal description of the > sequence separately. I do not have permission to publish the diagrams. The entire initial grid is definitely not needed. All of the folds required are derivable from simply folding the initial square in half, in all four directions. 1.) Fold square in half, edgewise; bring center fold to meet the parallel edges and pinch-fold 1/4 on the way from each edge. (Even this may be unnecessary, but I like to line up the corner points this way.) Unfold; rotate 90 degrees and repeat. Colored side down: 2.) There should now be little squares marked off at each corner of the square. Valley-fold these diagonally, bringing the corners in to form an octagon. Bring each truncated side of the square down across the center to touch the folded-in corners at the opposite side; press down the fold on the right half only. 3.) Mountain-fold across both diagonals of the former square; also add auxiliary valley-folds by bringing each short side of the octagon to touch the folded-in point on the opposite side, but again, press down on the right half only. 4.) Twist-fold! Whee! Turn the paper colored side up. You now have an octagon with even greater side-length discrepancies. Okay, it looks more like a truncated square. Lay it down with the twist-folds running diagonally. 5.) Valley-fold so that the short side on the lower right touches the midline fold marks in both the left and upper quadrants, pressing down only across the lower half or so (up and through the overlapped twist-fold layers, but not past them), and unfold. Valley-fold to touch that same side to the midline fold marks in the right and lower quadrants (again, only pressing halfwayish). Unfold. Rotate 90 degrees and repeat x3. Pinch a mountain fold at the left edge of each truncated corner, over the hidden twist-fold layers, to meet the second valley-fold, and unfold. 6.) Fold and shape as in OtfC. Yeah, I've combined folding steps in each paragraph, so it is *not* a 6-step rose. The angled-grid rose was still defeating me the last time I tried. As for calyces, I've been using the blintzed-frog one as well, even though it really doesn't work very well with my usual 3" map squares-- the paper's too small and thick for the layers to play nicely with each other. Works fine with 4" squares of copy paper, though, which are perfect for 8" copy-paper roses. Glassine-paper roses are unspeakably cool, esp. when you stick a light inside them.